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Subject: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: bonjour
Feb 17th, 2007
5:14 pm
I just heard that US-56 is being relabeled to US-05, Anyone hear anything about this?

Fred
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: arturo
Feb 17th, 2007
5:22 pm
I heard about that...maysbe WY didnt like people to think it was like 1056.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Feb 17th, 2007
10:56 pm
Yup heard about the change too, I assume its just for distinction.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Shawnintennessee
Feb 17th, 2007
11:09 pm
It's going to confuse the heck out of people.

I don't mind cause I don't like it anyways..LOL

Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Kaz
Feb 18th, 2007
2:42 am
Why in the hell do they name yeasts by #'s? Why not just rename it Chico yeast, oh I guess then Sierra Nevada would have too file a lawsuit also.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Feb 18th, 2007
4:59 am
Yeasts are numbered because the companies that provide them bank them and the number i'd assume is the bank ID.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Feb 18th, 2007
5:49 pm
It's easier for me to remember numbers than names.....
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: VoodooBrew
Feb 18th, 2007
6:31 pm
You said it Danny!
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Rosace
Feb 18th, 2007
6:41 pm
What is not to like about US 56 Shawn?
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Kaz
Feb 18th, 2007
6:49 pm
I remember names, not numbers (unless it's one I have used over and over), that's why I am bitching. Another good thing about names is that they are more descriptive and if you can't remember a name you can figure what yeast it is, like Mexican Lager. You here that name and you know two things about the yeast, it's a lager and it's from Mexico. The number just make me go and look it up.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: natesampson
Feb 18th, 2007
6:55 pm
I like using numbers because it sets Kaz off...
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Feb 18th, 2007
7:14 pm
See, we're using numbers here, like N8! I think I'll have to start calling Kaz 36.....
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Ian
Feb 19th, 2007
9:49 pm
So is that why it's out of stock everywhere?
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Shawnintennessee
Feb 20th, 2007
12:01 am
Greg,

I only want things that clean in an American Pils...

I just haven't used a good Pils recipe with it.
I think I would like it with a Lager Recipe.

Cause it is so clean.
Remember I'm an English Ale specialist.

It doe's nothing for my styles....
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Messink
Feb 20th, 2007
12:06 am
Yeah, went into my LHBS over the weekend and he said all the distributors are starting to run out. They're waiting on the new packaging that relabels it as US-05, but they didn't know when that would be ready.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: chris_and_em
Feb 20th, 2007
3:06 pm
Sent an E-mail to Fermentis to make sure it would be the same strain. Here's the response.

Dear Chris,

Thank you for contacting us through www.fermentis.com.
Safale US-05 is exactly the same strain as former Safale US-56. The only change is in the name of the product.
Remaining at your disposal,
Best regards,


Sophie Castelain
Communication Officer
Fermentis - Division of S.I. Lesaffre
BP 3029 - 137 Rue Gabriel P?ri
59703 Marcq en Baroeul Cedex
Tel: +33 (0)3 20 81 62 76
Fax: +33 (0)3 20 81 62 70
www.fermentis.com



Chris
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Hopz
Feb 20th, 2007
3:27 pm
So what is that woman doing in your disposal? Bet that caused a flurry at home.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Decanthas
Feb 20th, 2007
3:55 pm
Yeah, but DUDE, y'don't want to mess w/ that, she has YEAST! YUCK!
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Feb 20th, 2007
6:38 pm
probably just a french term that didn't translate through babblefish...
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: TimO
Feb 21st, 2007
2:36 am
True MrC......I lived in Europe for a few years, speaking French, and it is a term not easily translated, but the gist of it is 'hope to answer any more questions you may have coming my way'. I've got a guy here visiting from France at the office and I've spent the last week switching between French and English. Good exercise.....

TimO
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: arturo
Feb 21st, 2007
2:55 am
Whats wrong with the phrase "at your disposal"?
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Feb 21st, 2007
2:57 am
Oh you know these guys... Always with poo or sex on the brain.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: bryguy
Mar 10th, 2007
4:57 am
Anyone else seeing US-56 (or US-05) disappear from the shelves like Mike? I just went to pick up for packs for some IIPAs and the store was out. They usually have boxes of the stuff.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: McGie
Mar 10th, 2007
5:32 am
Next it will channel Prince and call itself "The yeast formerly known as US-56."
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: jtrainer
Mar 10th, 2007
7:39 am
McGie, your banned from tastybrew for mentioning HIM.... lol

My LHBS has boxes of this yeast. He said it was a buch of horse shite for the rename Claimed it was an internet rumor
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: bryguy
Mar 10th, 2007
3:15 pm
J?, you're saying that it's total rumor that they are changing the name?
Their website is _fairly_ clear:
http://www.fermentis.com/FO/EN/06-Ales/30-10_product_hb.asp
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Hopz
Mar 10th, 2007
4:12 pm
Who wants to place a wager on the possibility that the new US-05 will cost more than the US-56?

Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Stumptown
Mar 11th, 2007
3:40 am
Well, considering that Fermentis -- which makes the yeast -- now lists it as "US-05" on its website, I'd say J's LHBS guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Just saying.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Ian
Mar 16th, 2007
5:05 pm
Just a heads up... MoreBeer just sent me a notification that US-56 is back in stock. They still have it listed as US-56, and not US-05. Anyone seen the new packaging yet?
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: CookiesAndMilkStout
Mar 16th, 2007
5:46 pm

http://www.williamsbrewing.com/SAFALE_US-05_DRY_ALE_YEAST_P1482C64.cfm

Weird. Listed as US-05, but the package clearly says US-56.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Lotsofbrew
Mar 16th, 2007
5:57 pm
I've noticed the same thing as well.

Everywhere I've looked for the new US-05.
It still says US-56.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: natesampson
Mar 16th, 2007
6:00 pm
uh oh
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Lotsofbrew
Mar 16th, 2007
6:01 pm
LOL Hi there N8..

Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: jmo
Mar 16th, 2007
7:14 pm
There once was a man on TB
whose antics caused panics, you see.

He wrote in short phrases.
And in many cases
His comments caused controver-SEE.

He was always 'laughing out-loud'
'til his rave soundly pissed off the crowd.

Rob finally shouted
"I've had it - you're outed!"
He shouldn't have posted while plowed.




he he he . . . welcome back, pooper.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Lotsofbrew
Mar 16th, 2007
7:15 pm
You'll have that sometimes...LOL
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: buttas
Mar 16th, 2007
11:12 pm
Hey look....its the brewer formerly known as pooper
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: jtrainer
Mar 19th, 2007
6:42 am
I went to my LHBS again today and opened a box of US-56. He just received 2 boxes on Friday. What gives, was this renamed or just some marketing flurry?

As for my LHBS owner, his assistant cronie was in and as usual managed to annoy me. Went into some tirate of why dry yeast sucks and why would I want to do that when a simple vile or smack pack will start a 5 gal batch anytime..... yada yada yada. yawn!.

Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: TomC
Mar 19th, 2007
10:25 am
Dumb question-- Isn't 1056 originally from Ballantine Ale? I seem to recall reading that it was rescued prior to the Newark, NJ brewery being shuttered. (Likewise, I've heard that Schmitts in Philly managed to keep their yeasts going during Prohibition, and provided their lager yeast to F.X. Matt and a few other lager makers when beer became legal again.)
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: BryansBrew
Mar 19th, 2007
1:13 pm
I just ordered 5 or 6 packets. We'll see what comes through.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 19th, 2007
1:33 pm
Hey Bryan, you ferment US56 at 50? F, right? Do you get by with directly pitching only one packet at that temperature for a 5 gallon batch?

The reason I asked, is because I just did that last Friday (actually 10 gallons split 1 packet per) and I saw fermentation by Saturday morning, but it sure is slow, even today. I ferment at the same temperature and always get strong results with a large slurry, but I thought I'd give this a try.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: jtrainer
Mar 19th, 2007
2:20 pm
My first attempt with US56 was on Fred's Amarillo Pale Ale. What a furious ferment. The Nottingham dry pitched in the second fermenter was also a furious ferment. I plan to brew my next brew using US56 just to see how the house ale turns out from it. My normal temp target is mid-high 60's.

Yes Bryan how does US56 hold up in your 50 degree cold room?
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 19th, 2007
2:33 pm
J, I can tell you that US56 does well at 50F, when you pitch on a large slurry. I've done it this way many times and it finishes low. However, I'm starting to think that 1 packet, pitched dry, is not enough at these temperatures.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: bonjour
Mar 19th, 2007
2:35 pm
At 50F I would think that you would want to pitch lager quantities.

Fred
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: BryansBrew
Mar 19th, 2007
2:53 pm
Unless it's over 1.060, I throw in 1 packet of 56 (or any yeast, for that matter) and ferment at around 53F. Yeah, it'll ferment slower than if you were fermenting at 65, but it ferments fine and is very clean.

You could use more than 1 packet, but I never found a reason to (other than a high OG).
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 19th, 2007
3:03 pm
Thanks, Bryan. Based on what see today, I think I'll be okay. I actually pitched at 65F and then placed it in a the fridge at 50F, so that gave it a chance to get going. I also have a half gallon of old slurry for emergencies, which I'll dump out when this batch finishes.

I sure do like the way the beer finishes at this temperature. Seems to be cleaner, but maybe that's just my imagination.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Mar 19th, 2007
4:08 pm
Tom C., you're correct...all indications are that 1056 originally came from Ballantine.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: cmuszynski
Mar 19th, 2007
8:55 pm
I just got 12 packs of this yeast from B3. They are now labeled US-05.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Mar 28th, 2007
4:40 pm
For those of you who read the NB forum, this was just posted there....Wyeast is suing Fermentis.

here are the highlights of the case. It was opened 8/23/2005 with the latest filing recently on 3/21/2007.

Plaintiff: Wyeast Laboratories, Inc.
Defendant: Societe Industrielle Lesaffre

Demand: $75000
Cause: 15:1125 Trademark Infringement (Lanham Act)

The original complaint is 17 pages long (and scanned into a pdf) so I'll just hit the high points

Complaint
Unfair Competition
False Advertising
Oregon Trademark Infringement
Oregon Unfair Competition

Jury Trial Demanded

-----------------------

Then a long history of Yeast and WYeast and their trademarked 1056 American Ale Yeast

---------------------


Then it gets interesting Smile

Apparently, Fermentis is owned by a much larger French yeast manufacturer (SIL). At some point before 2003 SIL wanted to get into the north american yeast business and suddenly you have a Delaware based company called LeSaffre Yeast Corperation (LYC). In 2003 SIL caused LYC to approach Wyeast with a proposition to aquire their businesses and assets. In December 2003 LYC offered to aquire Wyeast's yeast business for the benefit of SIL and Fermentis. The offer was not accepted and a few weeks later in early 2004 Fermentis started selling a dry strain under the name US 56.

And then it gets into packaging and marketing... interesting that Fermentis advertised this new dry yeast as "The most famous Ale yeast strain found across America"

And then there are 14 pages I haven't got to yet... and this is just the first document of about 30... heh
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 28th, 2007
4:43 pm
If they're suing the French, more power to them.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Mar 28th, 2007
4:51 pm
Full info at

http://www.iicapn.com/beer/wyeast.pdf
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Mar 28th, 2007
5:20 pm
funny
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: sweetloaf
Mar 28th, 2007
5:23 pm
"If they're suing the French, more power to them."

i sure hope you're kidding, brewboy. i thought that kind of thinking went the way of WMDs and boycotting the Dixie Chicks.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 28th, 2007
5:26 pm
No, I wasn't kidding and I will always boycott the Dixie chicks.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: MrCoffee
Mar 28th, 2007
5:28 pm
Why dont we just send that ugly statue of liberty whore back too...
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DConn
Mar 28th, 2007
5:46 pm
Yeah, and give back all the money and assistance we got from the French that helped us win the Revolutionary War!
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 28th, 2007
5:56 pm
Let's just hope, for their sake, that they don't an ally anytime soon.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: sweetloaf
Mar 28th, 2007
6:05 pm
with allies like us, who needs enemies!
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 28th, 2007
6:25 pm
Yeah, we've been a terrible ally to the Europeans. What's that language they speak in France? Is it German; no, I think it's French.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: Jason3384
Mar 28th, 2007
7:31 pm
how the hell can a trade dispute between to corporations be turned into nation bashing, they aren't suing the french, one corporation is suing another, good lord ... I sense another useless thread
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: sweetloaf
Mar 28th, 2007
7:38 pm
indeed. let's all freedom kiss and make up... and get back to agreeing on the greatness of beer.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: DavidS
Mar 28th, 2007
8:06 pm
Calm down Jason, we're just having a little fun.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: ericburnley
Mar 28th, 2007
8:28 pm
yeah, i don't really care what they call it, i just want to find it in stock someplace. austin seems to have the new version, but that's the first place i've seen.
Subject: Re: US-56 becoming US-05?
Author: BoonieBrew
Mar 29th, 2007
3:05 am
I saw the S-05 badged stuff the other day at my LHBS.

Are they really only suing for $75000? I can easily see the legal fees for both sides going over that amount, especially with over 2 years already put into it, making this a pretty ridiculous suit.

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