Two of my favorite hops, but I've never used them together. Anyone use this combo in an APA? If so, what's your hop schedule?

Not yet, but it sounds interesting. I might just have to do a 5 gal smash to see how well they play together.

I have used them in an IPA and an APA.. Turned out really well even when I brought it to a BBQ with BMC drinkers they blew through that before the other beer... I have another one in my fermenter I'll be dry hopping with another 40 gm columbus this weekend..


Type: All Grain
Date: 7/31/2010
Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Brewer: Shaun
Boil Size: 7.50 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Brew Pot (6+gal) and Igloo/Gott Cooler (5 Gal)
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 85.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 84.03 %
1.10 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 9.24 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4.20 %
0.30 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 2.52 %
40.00 gm Columbus (Tomahawk) [12.80 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
20.00 gm Columbus (Tomahawk) [12.80 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 32.7 IBU
25.00 gm Columbus (Tomahawk) [12.80 %] (60 min) Hops 33.2 IBU
12.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (45 min) Hops 6.3 IBU
11.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 3.1 IBU
20.00 gm Columbus (Tomahawk) [12.80 %] (5 min) Hops 5.3 IBU
25.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs us-05 (safale #US-05) Yeast-Ale

So, you use both for flavor and aroma, but only Columbus for bittering. Well, sort of.

yeah the FWH with Columbus brings alot of flavor... And I use cascades @ 45 because as a bittering Hop its not as strong and am hoping with this one it will contribute a bit more than my last one... I mainly was shooting for a more forward Columbus flavor and aroma with the Cascades to back it up.. My last one I combined them 50/50 and added them at the same time all the way through This one I wanted to have a more pronounced Columbus in it...

One of my house brews is an all Columbus IPA, so I might try your first approach to pull in more of the Cascade.

I like to hop my pale ales, bittering, 20min, 10min, 0min. I'd take your standard Columbus pale and sub half the finish hops with cascade. I did a sorachi ace/amarillo like that and Several IPAs with just two hops like nugget/centennial, and chinook/columbus.

By the way Columbus and cascade should make for a great pale.

Heres one you might like

08-02-2009 IPA, chinook columbus

A ProMash Brewing Session Report
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Brewing Date: Sunday August 02, 2009
Head Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Recipe: IPA, chinook columbus

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 13.00
Anticipated OG: 1.060 Plato: 14.71
Anticipated SRM: 5.7
Anticipated IBU: 86.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 75 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.059 Plato: 14.40
Actual FG: 1.011 Plato: 2.80

Alc by Weight: 4.91 by Volume: 6.28 From Measured Gravities.
ADF: 80.5 RDF 67.0 Apparent & Real Degree of Fermentation.

Actual Mash System Efficiency: 74 %
Anticipated Points From Mash: 59.88
Actual Points From Mash: 63.65


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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80.8 10.50 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
19.2 2.50 lbs. Munich Malt Germany 1.037 8

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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45.00 g. Chinook Pellet 11.00 37.9 20 min.
45.00 g. Columbus Pellet 14.00 48.2 20 min.
60.00 g. Chinook Pellet 11.00 0.0 0 min.
60.00 g. Columbus Pellet 14.00 0.0 0 min.
40.00 g. Chinook Pellet 11.00 0.0 Dry Hop
40.00 g. Columbus Pellet 14.00 0.0 Dry Hop


Yeast
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US05

I have a 10 minute APA fermenting now which was 50/50 Columbus and cascade. Inspired by a Columbus/cascade IPA. Fantastic.

I use that combo too, as well as Simcoe hops. I also use all three in all 3 phases of hop additions. They all work well at any stage.

simcoe, amarillo, and/or any c hop goes great together. I do it all the time. One of my favorite combos is simcoe, columbus, and centennial. I'm talking in the finish (20min and down). I only worry about the bittering addition to get the IBUs right, mostly magnum (its clean).

Brewboy: Those two hops are exactly what I'm growing this year, and I will def. use them in an ipa exclusively! I've used that same combo before, but with either citra, simcoe, or centennial also, depending on the beer. I think they work great together.

I was thinking about a hop schedule something like this for an APA. As mentioned above, the FWH Columbus will provide bittering and flavor (-50% utilization) I used only Cascades for the later additions. This yields an IBU of 43 with a 1.056 wort.

70.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.20 29.3 First WH
42.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 8.7 20 min.
42.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 5.2 10 min.
42.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 0.0 0 min.

That looks good BB, but I'd put that columbus at 0min and the cascade as your bitter addition. I'm still up in the air with FWH my side by sides lead me to believe FWH is a bitter addition.

AZ, with my single hop (Columbus) IPA I get a lot of flavor from the FWH. Granted, that's not the only addition of hops. I also prefer to bitter with higher alpha hops. I'm not saying that Cascade bittering wouldn't be good, but I'm thinking I'll try it this way first and maybe switch the hops next time.

I get ya, I was thinking more about columbus lacking in the finish not so much the bittering w/ cascade. I just love columbus at 0min.

Yup, I add mine at 2 min. I guess my main goal is to incorporate Columbus into an APA, but not end up with the same flavor as my IPA, but only hopped a little lighter, IE something different.

By using lower AA hops for bittering I've been told by several brewers I've interacted with over recipe formulations. They have all indicated a smoother less harsh bitterness is obtained from the lower AA hops. This would support the use of cascade for bittering.

I love the FWH option too, adds flavor and bitterness... love it.

I also love the higher AA for bittering too.... HOPS!

Thanks for the decisive answer.

Free, also the word is lower cohumulone levels leaves a less harsh bitterness. Horizon, simcoe, haller, lots more. Not sure how true it is but I take that into consideration when hopping up an IPA. I'm on fence as far as FWH and flavor.

Yeah i'm with you guys on the bittering. I think the higher aa hops pop more on the bittering factor, and the lower aa hops have more of a smooth perception to me. German magnum is a pretty neutral hop however, and is pretty smooth regardless of its higher aa%. I'm sure there are others like this, but this one comes to mind, and I know a lot of commercial brewers use this hop to bitter beers for the smoothness it offers.