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Subject: bitterness calculations
Author: goschman
Feb 9th, 2010
2:35 am
I was wondering which method is the most accepted for calculation IBUs. Is it Tinseth?

I am having trouble calibrating what I think...say 60 IBUs is to what it really is. I have made my software default to a method which inevitably calculates the IBUs to much greater than Tinseth. Basically, what is the standard for most commercial breweries?
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: goschman
Feb 9th, 2010
3:47 am
Okay...so I have tried 4 different methods. Using Papazian's basic arithmetic I got 44.3 IBUs, my software 38.3, Tastybrew recipe calculator: around 50, tastybrew bitterness calculator: 28.34

So, basically I know my bitterness should be somewhere between 28 and 50 IBUs. A little bit too large of a range for me!
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: DavidS
Feb 9th, 2010
3:51 am
Just pick one and stay with it. You'll soon learn what you like. I use Tinseth in Promash.

Who can really say at what level YOU detect bitterness.
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: goschman
Feb 9th, 2010
4:11 am
Yeah...you're right. I get a little too mixed up in what I think my beer should be as far as standards are concerned. I have been using the same calculator for all of my most recent beers. I will just stick with it and manipulate the hops to what I like. My ESB had a bitterness of 38 IBUs but it didn't taste as hoppy as I thought it should. The more I think about it, 38 is actually kind of low. I guess I should just add more hops next time...

I was just wondering if there was any standard. After looking into it, two places say they use the same method yet there outcomes are completely different.
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: goschman
Feb 9th, 2010
4:15 am
Just out of curiousity...

An extact ESB with an OG of 1.049...only a 2 gallon boil

1 oz Northern Brewer (7.8%) 60 min
1 oz Perle (8.2%) 30 min
1 oz Willamette (4.5%) 10 min

What would you change? It came out really good just not quite bitter enough in my opinion. I think next time I will add another 1/2 oz of bittering hops



Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: DavidS
Feb 9th, 2010
4:16 am
When I look at a recipe, there's generally a range for IBU's. I always go for the upper end and maybe a little higher.

I understand where you're coming from. I always hate it when there is more than one standard to choose from
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: Rex_Irae
Feb 9th, 2010
5:36 am
I plugged that in to the TB calculator, and it gives more bitterness will a 6-gal boil volume.
Personally, I would add the Willamette at 5 mins, & the Perle at 15. Build up the No. Brewer for increased bitterness. Another half oz ought to do it. If not, boil them for 70 minutes rather than 60.
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: jeffwilliams11
Feb 9th, 2010
12:22 pm
if you have the ability, do the same recipe but with a full boil. hop utilization goes down as boil gravity goes up...therefore you will always get less bitterness out of a partial boil due to its higher concentration...
Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: Ohiobrewman
Feb 9th, 2010
1:32 pm
Tinseth is the way to go....

Remember that Commercial Breweries are doing way bigger batches than we typically do.
I use Tinseth and my beers are better since I switched.

Subject: Re: bitterness calculations
Author: goschman
Feb 9th, 2010
9:22 pm
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to do a full volume boil yet. Still stuck on the stove top with a smaller brew kettle. I realize that the bigger the boil, the more hop utilization but that isn't feasible yet...

Maybe I will make the switch to Tinseth. I checked this morning and I think I have been using Rager which is completely different when compared to Tinseth.

My IBUs went down from 38 to 22 I think when switching to Tinseth

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