So Vinnie put Pliney recipe out in the latest Zymurgy and it varies quite a bit from the version I heard him give on TBN and that he handed out at the AHA a few years back.

Did he change it? Did I screw it up a couple of years ago?

Vinnie said he has changed it a bit, here is the recipe he just sent me to publish.

http://www.beerdujour.com/Recipes/1Pliny%20the%20Elder%20clone%20PDF.pdf

Fred

Thanks Master Fred....

Thanks Fred.

I don't recall ever seeing "CTZ" in a recipe, looks like CTZ stands for Columbus, Tomahawk, Zeus, from a quick search. Interesting. Anyone use these before?

All except Tomahawk(some believe they're all the same).

I asked Ralph Olsen of Hop Union about Columbus, Tomahawk, and Zeus hops at NHC and he confirmed that DNA testing shows them to be identical. I have used a lot of Columbus in the past and have used a lot of Zeus in the last few months, and they seem identical to me, too.

What a kick ass beer, just tried it days ago mmmmmm

I've been using zeus and columbus as the same (love that hop). Are they grown in different places so different names?

They're actually grown very close together, but IIRC, the name Columbus is trademarked.

I see, I wonder if my Zeus will be like the real thing growing in AZ.

Ralph also talked a lot about how weather conditions influence hop production. One thing he mentioned about growing hops in warmer climates is that hops need the cold winters in order to go dormant, which allows them to have a higher yield and better quality. He said they will grow below the 35th parallel, but they won't be as productive or good quality.

I like Pliney, but I enjoy Russian River's Blind Pig even more. Would love to get a recipe for that one. I have not done much research on Blind Pig, but that is a fresh tasting, hoppy beer.

If I'm not mistaken, the original Blind Pig had oak. The current version does not. (I love the current version btw.)

I've never had the original though I've sampled homebrewed clones that were all decent.

I have the BP recipe. On oak. It's awesome. Jeff, send me an email.
michaelkhess at gmail dot com.

Thanks Mike. I just send you an email.

Or post it here

What happened to posting it here!?

Ummm...yeah...or at the very least should we all e-mail you for the recipe

ALRIGHT, enough emails. Here you go!

90% 2 row
3.4% each Wheat, CaraPils and C40
OG 1066 IBU 75
SRM ~ 5.6
Mash 154*

60 min Chinoook for ~ 58 IBU
30 min Cascade for ~ 8 IBU
15 min Cascade for ~ 9 IBU
DH Centennial and Cascade

WLP001 @ 68*

Drop the cone before dryhopping or transfer to secondary tank when ~90-95% attenuated.

(for 20 gallons): Dry hop with 4 oz American oak chips, 2 oz cascade hops and 4 oz centennial hops after 90-95% attenuated. Rack off the chips and dry hops after another 7 days. Crash to 32 on Day 5 of dryhop.