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Subject: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Jan 12th, 2009
8:59 pm
I'm looking for a clean fresh taste that is just a touch sweet with a hint or "2" of honey that you can drink some of without getting wasted........session beer.

I've never made this before. What do you guys think...........

01-12-2009 Honey Blond Ale

A ProMash Brewing Session Report
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Brewing Date: Monday January 12, 2009
Head Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Recipe: Honey Blond Ale

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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06-B Light Hybrid Beer, Blonde Ale

Min OG: 1.038 Max OG: 1.054
Min IBU: 15 Max IBU: 28
Min Clr: 2 Max Clr: 5 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 28.00 Wort Size (Gal): 28.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 45.00
Anticipated OG: 1.047 Plato: 11.57
Anticipated SRM: 5.0
Anticipated IBU: 18.3
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.047 Plato: 11.57
Actual FG: 1.010 Plato: 3.07


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
88.9 40.00 lbs. Pilsener Belgium 1.037 2
11.1 5.00 lbs. Honey Malt Canada 1.030 18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2.50 oz. Perle Pellet 7.70 16.9 60 min.
3.00 oz. Hallertauer Tradition Pellet 3.20 1.4 5 min.


Yeast
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White Labs WLP002 English Ale


Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step
Heat Type: Direct

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.33

Saccharification Rest Temp: 150 Time: 60

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Rosace
Jan 12th, 2009
9:15 pm
maybe a touch of crystal 10 or carapils around 6% for a little body?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: rrbrew
Jan 12th, 2009
9:15 pm
Love th' hops and it's simple grain bill.
Why th' choice of yeast?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Jan 12th, 2009
9:25 pm
I thought maybe the honey malt would supply a little body. I didn't think of the carapils even though I have over 30 pounds of it. Good point.

Matt the yeast is a fairly low attenuator and I thought 001 would get me down to low on the fg and loose the sweetness factor. Not carved in stone at all.

That's why I posted it, to get your guys advice.

Keep um coming.........

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: rrbrew
Jan 12th, 2009
9:46 pm
I like Fullers yeast but what 'bout a EuroAle yeast, 011/1338?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Jan 13th, 2009
12:34 am
Out of laziness I decided to change the yeast to wlp001. Since I already have some left over from my last starter.

In return, I will add some carapils to try to retain a tiny bit higher fg.

Ideas..........

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DConn
Jan 13th, 2009
6:45 pm
Yeah, honey malt can be though of as a kinda 25L crystal.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 13th, 2009
4:05 am
Here is what this ended up to be...........

I think it's pretty cool, but I want to send some to some of you guys....who want's to try it?

01-14-2009 Honey Blond Ale

A ProMash Brewing Session Report
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Brewing Date: Wednesday January 14, 2009
Head Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Recipe: Honey Blond Ale

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

06-B Light Hybrid Beer, Blonde Ale

Min OG: 1.038 Max OG: 1.054
Min IBU: 15 Max IBU: 28
Min Clr: 2 Max Clr: 5 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 28.00 Wort Size (Gal): 28.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 45.00
Anticipated OG: 1.047 Plato: 11.56
Anticipated SRM: 5.0
Anticipated IBU: 18.3
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.047 Plato: 11.56
Actual FG: 1.008 Plato: 2.05

Alc by Weight: 3.97 by Volume: 5.06 From Measured Gravities.
ADF: 82.3 RDF 68.1 Apparent & Real Degree of Fermentation.

Actual Mash System Efficiency: 84 %

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
6.7 3.00 lbs. Caramel Pils Malt Belgium 1.034 8
84.4 38.00 lbs. Pilsener Belgium 1.037 2
8.9 4.00 lbs. Honey Malt Canada 1.030 18

Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2.50 oz. Perle Pellet 7.70 16.9 60 min.
3.00 oz. Hallertauer Tradition Pellet 3.20 1.4 5 min.

White Labs WLP001 California Ale
Saccharification Rest Temp: 150 Time: 60

Sparge Temp: 185 Time: 0
Primary Temperature: 61 degrees F

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Feb 13th, 2009
4:12 am
Can you taste the honey?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 13th, 2009
4:16 am
ya, a perception of it, there is no honey in it.

It's nice.

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Feb 13th, 2009
4:18 am
I've always heard that honey malt leaves more of a honey taste than the real thing. I've never used either of them.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 13th, 2009
4:21 am
It's true...............

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jeffwilliams11
Feb 13th, 2009
4:27 pm
i've used honey malt a few times and i really dig the light honey flavor and aroma that it leaves...try just a tad bit in an apa or ipa, its nice...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: redbrew
Feb 13th, 2009
6:04 pm
I have used honey and to me it just ferments out thinning the beer and not really leaving a honey taste.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jeffwilliams11
Feb 13th, 2009
6:17 pm
thats the beauty of using the honey malt...the flavor and arome don't ferment out, plus it doens't thin the beer...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: roosterjd
Feb 14th, 2009
3:45 am
I never turn down an offer of homebrew.

Seriously, CLB. It sounds good!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 14th, 2009
4:15 am
Jim, Shoot me an email with your address. .......iiprint@uslink.net....we got ya covered buddy.

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Feb 14th, 2009
5:57 am
For you lazy drunk people out there... hee is the 5.5 gallon convert.... I took liberty to round weights to whole numbers and the smaller stuff I just rounded to the .05 spot. Other than that I scaled it down to 75% Eff as well which seemed to be a common number touted here.

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Honey Blond Ale
Brewer: John Asst Brewer:
Style: Blonde Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)
Recipe Specifications --------------------------
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 6.74 gal
Estimated OG: 1.047 SG
Estimated Color: 5.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 15.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients: ------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 84.2 %
0.85 lb Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 8.9 %
0.65 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 6.8 %
0.50 oz Pearle [8.00%] (60 min) Hops 13.6 IBU
0.60 oz Hallertauer [4.80%] (5 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [StartYeast-Ale]
Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 9.50 lb
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Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 11.88 qt of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F 75 min Mash Out Add 7.60 qt of water at 205.8 F 170.0 F 10 min

Let us know your thoughts when complete... This is now on my to do list... This looks like a good lite summer recipe too...


Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 14th, 2009
3:56 pm
J, I would bump the IBU's up to where I had them.

Truth be told this is the most well balanced beer I have made. I am not a hop head at all but I wouldn't want the hop IBU's even one unit lower than they are.

Just a thought, you guys that like hops might even want it a tad higher than I had it.

My wife drank some of this and her comment was "That's just to easy to drink"

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Freeflynick
Feb 15th, 2009
6:23 am
CLB - this looks like something I want to make, but I would have to go with the 5.5gal, so what would you recommend changing in the smaller recipe to get the IBU you want?
Thanks!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Feb 15th, 2009
3:17 pm
Freeflynick,

CA J...... has the percentages right on in the above recipe he posted. If I was making a smaller batch that's what I would do except I would get the hop IBU's up to at least 18. I had them at 18.3 and he has them at 15.6 IBU's. That's about a 10% difference and I don't think that there is room to decrease them on this recipe. You would be better of to go to 19 or 20 instead of less.

Also another thing to consider is there is a lot of pilsner malt and pilsner malt will develop DMS. I did a 60 minute boil but I really should have done a 90 minute boil to try to make sure the DMS is boiled off.

I didn't get any DMS at all.......Kind of lucky as DMS will really stand out in this beer.

The next time I do it I will do a 90 min. boil and then not add hops until 60 min.

Other than that "J" is right on with the break down AFAIC.

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Feb 15th, 2009
7:07 pm
Steve, If they bump the 60 min addition to .6 Oz they are fine.... That puts the IBU back to 18.7

The error came in my rounding numbers.... I don't link recipes saying add .53 Oz of this... just say .5 or .6 etc.... Makes it easier to measure on the inaccurate scales a LHBS.... If it really mattered then we should give the amounts out in grams...

I'm looking to do this one in a couple months....



Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Mar 1st, 2009
1:24 pm
Steve, this was a big hit at my house last night. My wife REALLY liked it and thinks I should make some for this summer. Looks like I'm on the hunt for some honey malt. Is the second recipe, you posted above, the one that you used?

Thanks.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Mar 1st, 2009
5:29 pm
Glad you liked it, yep the second recipe and J has it brocken down in percentages for a 5 gallon batch.

Just make sure you include this adjustment J made on the hops.

.......Steve, If they bump the 60 min addition to .6 Oz they are fine.... That puts the IBU back to 18.7


sounds good..........

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 1st, 2009
6:30 pm
So it sounds like BB is going to make a good beer.... We no longer get to tease him for his boring beer... not this batch anyhow...

BB keep in mind I set the Eff at 75%, you know what needs to be done...

I was gonna grab ingredients for a pale ale today but maybe I'll do this instead...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Mar 1st, 2009
6:56 pm
Would you pick me up some honey malt while you're there?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 2nd, 2009
1:52 am
OK went to my meeting and shopped for my next batch. Was going to pick this up but I was able to get some more motuekea abd another new zealand hop. This completed my needs for my next hop experiment. Additionally they were out of the Honey Malt. So I;ll make this on my next shopping trip.

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Mar 2nd, 2009
1:55 am
BB, I bought a whole bag............I'll send you a pound if you can wait until my BW is ready to bottle (2 weeks or so) and I'll send you some of that as well.............you may have to remind me.......I have "Old Timers"

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Mar 2nd, 2009
3:34 am
Thanks Steve. I'm a cheap @$$, but I won't ask you to send me some malt. That's just wrong, but I really appreciate the offer.

I've been tweaking some amber/pale ales lately. I just racked another one today. When they're ready, I'll send you some examples for your comments. Yours was really good and very tasty and clean, but I'm a little more of a hop head than you, so you may not like mine.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 2nd, 2009
4:20 am
Then send them to the Peoples Republic of California, I'll share them with Dan R if he should want to drive down....

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
Mar 2nd, 2009
4:52 am
Isn't there an import tax now in CA for everything coming from the other 49 states?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 2nd, 2009
5:53 am
yes and send that as well, I'm collecting $1 per bottle.... Just tell the guy at the door you know me.... works every time...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: John_Ferens
Mar 3rd, 2009
6:25 pm
CLB,

What were the actual specs you recorded? Also, as a "quickie" batch, I'm considering using some Pils DME I have as a base and can't find my link to grains that need to be mashed or can be steeped; can Honey Malt and Dextrine Malt be steeped or do they need to be mashed?

Thanks - looks like a nice crowd-pleaser!
John.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Chaselakebeer
Mar 3rd, 2009
8:11 pm
the second recipe is the one.

I hit the OG on the head and the FG was 1.008 not 1.010

CLB
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Apr 29th, 2009
5:33 pm
Just fired up the sparge water 5 minutes ago. I failed to note the mash temp after I doughed in. But should have been about 150 -151 unless my calcs are off.

My BIL is visiting and I'm running dangerously low on homebrew, I'll need to make a Belgian or something wickedly good that his candy arse won't like....


Home sick today... cough cough.... so Happy Brewing.....

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: anotherdrummer
Apr 29th, 2009
6:12 pm
This makes me want to watch streaming video of it all!!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Apr 29th, 2009
6:22 pm
That's not a bad idea.... maybe I will do that as I'm brewing just outside my office window and passing my webcam cable out would be easy..... wait I no longer have a webcam.... I'll find one... next brew maybe or better yet, plan for big brew or teach a friend to brew day....

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: anotherdrummer
Apr 29th, 2009
7:15 pm
SWEET! Lovin' it!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
May 4th, 2009
9:05 pm
Any last minute adjustments to this recipe? I may brew it this week.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 4th, 2009
10:54 pm
My brew stopped bubbling for the most part yesterday.... time permitting I'll be making some gravity readings starting Wednesday. So no changes that I'm recommending yet....

If you do brew it and Steve finally returns from his vacation.... maybe I can try his hot sauce the day you try your first batch o Steve's Honey Blonde....


Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: roosterjd
May 5th, 2009
2:07 am
May I say from experience .... you will enjoy both of them!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
May 5th, 2009
2:17 am
I agree, Jim.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 10th, 2009
5:23 pm
I kegged my CLB Honey Ale yesterday..... nice n tasty.

OG 1.056
FG 1.008
ABV ~6.1 per Beer Smith

The hydro was very tasty and my BIL who mainly drinks cuurs lite drank nearly the entire sample. That's a good sign to me....

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
May 10th, 2009
9:06 pm
How long did you leave it in the primary? Mine's in there now.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 11th, 2009
2:01 pm
That was 11 days primary. It was quite tasty until after I tried to force carb it... yeast in suspension. Letting it settle and will re-tap it next weekend.

On deck is my Rye Wit loosely based on DC's Rye Wit.

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 13th, 2009
4:07 am
OK Day 13 and my BIL is jumping through hoops on this one and my buddies cider. Even SWMBO who almost never drinks my beer but drinks miller lite even said it was good..... I might have to get a tap lock soon....

This really is a good beer.

Thanks Steve!

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
May 13th, 2009
11:05 am
So, you're serving honey blonde after 13 days?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 13th, 2009
2:08 pm
David, To me this is ready, early yes but ready and tasty.... I'd server it in 2 days if it were done...



Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: DavidS
May 13th, 2009
2:11 pm
Nice to know. That means I can start serving next week.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Jul 24th, 2009
5:48 am
Bump

I was asked to serve this at a end of summer BBQ. I'll be remaking tis very soon. I will be bumping the honey malt up a tad.

Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: c3h8grant
Jul 24th, 2009
1:38 pm
I am planning on using this recipe also. I will probably use different hops though. I have a bunch of Crystal pellets to use up. I was thinking on about 10% Honey Malt. I see that CLB's recipe calls for around 11%. Maybe I need to rethink the amount of honey malt.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Dennis77
Mar 18th, 2012
8:42 pm
Just brewed this recipe this morning. After everything said and done, the morning went pretty good. My post boil volume was a 1/2 gal shy but the OG was where it should be so i left at 5 gal. Cant wait to taste it. Also tried using paint strainer for a hop bag worked perfectly.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: brewboy_BB
Mar 18th, 2012
9:02 pm
This is a great recipe.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: pointpaleale
Mar 19th, 2012
3:28 am
I just killed my honey keg last night.....its a steller recipe
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Dennis77
Mar 24th, 2012
12:17 am
Took a gravity reading, its at 1.008.I must say the sample tasted pretty F'n good. Also i think its cool how much the color of the sample looks alot like honey. But it does have alot of clearing up to do still. Did you guys get that as well?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: EricHa
Mar 24th, 2012
1:01 am
yep! a couple weeks at 35-40F will clear it right up.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 24th, 2012
2:57 am
I love this for a spring beer, I try and do it once or twice a year.... depending upon my creativity levels.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Dennis77
Apr 17th, 2012
1:40 am
Just tapped this after work today and am very happy it. After a day like today this really hit the spot. Only problem is its too damn easy to drink.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: JCF
May 8th, 2012
1:54 pm
This is on my schedule to brew this Sunday. I have some saved S-04 that I'm going to try in it...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 8th, 2012
2:18 pm
your going to love it!
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: JCF
May 8th, 2012
2:25 pm
It has been a year or so since I last made it. My wife actually requested it...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
May 8th, 2012
2:33 pm
then screw you, she's going to love it again.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: JCF
May 8th, 2012
2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: Shannon
Jun 8th, 2012
3:23 am
I just brewed this. It's not carbbed yet, but it's tasty. I think it came out more bitter, I'm guessing, than the original recipe. I was expecting a bit more sweeter, although it is really damn smooth!

My recipe:
8lb German Pilsner Malt (I didn't have Belgian)
14oz Gambrinus Honey Malt
10oz UK Caramalt

Mashed at (target) 151F for 90 min.

15g (~0.5oz) German Northern Brewer (9.8%AA) for 60 min
17g (~0.5oz) German Hallertauer Hersbrucker (3.8%AA) for 5 min

US-05 built up as a starter. I had 73.9% mash efficiency and 80.1% apparent attenuation.

More to come when it's properly carbbed.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Jun 8th, 2012
6:41 am
This is in my fermenters too... lovin' it.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: JCF
Feb 4th, 2015
8:13 pm
**Bump**

Just put up 15 gallons of Blonde Honey this weekend...

Lupo
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: BB_BrewBoy
Feb 5th, 2015
12:57 pm
Lupo!

How ya doin?

If you've got 15 gallons of CLB's honey blonde, I'm coming to see you.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 3rd, 2015
4:22 am
sup boys... I was just coming back to validate some original amounts and look at this... it's a party!

I'm prepping to do 10 gal AFTER Jarrogant Bastard and another fast IPA.
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: BB_BrewBoy
Mar 3rd, 2015
5:01 am
Hey J, how goes it?
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: jtrainer
Mar 3rd, 2015
6:32 am
Going well... if all goes right I'll be in your neck of the pond sooner than later..... Be prepared I'll try and give as as much heads up as I can... maybe get some of that brown hound ale you have...

I'm looking forward to a vegas run...
Subject: Re: Honey Blonde Ale
Author: BB_BrewBoy
Mar 3rd, 2015
3:34 pm
I am so ready for Vegas, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

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